Ok I have been watching this and I must say that the rationalization in an
effort to keep the myth alive are amazing. It is as if there is an addiction
to the belief that there is an unconscious and conscious mind.
It seems that without that myth some people just can't function.
So let me tell you what I think......I think it does not go anywhere.
I want to present the idea of one flexible consciousness.
Ok read that again because I really want it to sink in....ONE FLEXIBLE
CONSCIOUSNESS.
Within that you can nudge the consciousness one way or they other. You can
teach it using various states and the reason that it works is because you
are teaching ONE consciousness instead of trying to get 2 of them to
communicate.
When you hypnotize someone you don't communicate with an unconscious
mind......you have a relaxed consciousness with enhanced abilities. You have
a more flexible consciousness that makes changes more easily. You have a
more aware consciousness that is able to perceive better.
At the same time......it is all one mind and one consciousness.
The more I have learned about the brain the more I understand about the
mind. The brain is not a set of patterns and switches. It is a complex
weather system that works by many areas of the brain engaging and differing
intensities and combinations to perform specific tasks.
It exists in a fluid reality that changes moment by moment. The extrovert
on stage becomes a shy introvert just by magically leaving the stage.
Nothing else has changed but that small movement shifted the fluid reality.
The passive housewife becomes a hellspawn by just getting behind the wheel
of her minivan. Nothing changed but the reality was fluid.
I know this is over some of you heads but I want to present this as just an
idea.
One flexible mind. One flexible consciousness.
How would this change things. Well it already has. It has generated the 3D
mind model of change as it exists today. One belief touches hundreds of
beliefs. Change one thing and hundreds of things change.
Not because you changed the unconscious but because you changed the way the
brain influences the one mind.
Before some of you just have the predictable automated response, just give
it some though.
one flexible consciousness.......
have a trip,
Tom
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Re: One Mind One Flexible Consciousness
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Ok I have been watching this and I must say that the rationalization in an
effort to keep the myth alive are amazing. It is as if there is an addiction
to the belief that there is an unconscious and conscious mind.
have a trip,
Tom
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Great post Tom, makes perfect sense. If I recall my experiences with hypnosis CD's, this seems to fit.
Question: what is your take on hypnosis done on people asleep or in such a deep trance that they are totally aware of what's going on. Does it affect them.
On this topic I remember once that I was sleeping and in the dream I heard a beeping sound. In my dream I spent a while trying to figure out where it came from. After a while I woke up and realized it was my alarm clock beeping.
This means that it did reach my mind though, otherwise I wouldn't have dreamed about it...
Hans
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When I visualise this theory into a model I see our current flexible conciousness has a position. A bit like a boat mooring at familiar positions on an Ocean. When mood or states change the position of our perception could be said to move also. If you continue with this idea you could say that our personality is nothing more than the pattern of movements between familiar routes or positions.
Then......altered states could be seen as positions on the ocean that we don't normally go to. These unusual areas may have intrinsic qualities that are good for some things but not for others. Ie I learn things a lot quicker better when my perception is in such and such an area.
Seems to me though that there is a lot to be learned about intelligently navigating this one flexible conciousness.
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Think about this. Notice the difference between these 2 phrases.
I want to talk to your unconscious mind.
I want to talk to your mind in a different way.
Do they affect your differently?
Tom
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Great post man.
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If you continue with this idea you could say that our personality is nothing more than the pattern of movements between familiar routes or positions.
Exactly! People say whatever a person is at 7 he will be just like at 77. But its just that they have these blocks in their minds that draw their boundaries, and so in each context they build solid and repeating behaviours . Thats because their limitations molded them into that. Remove the limitations and they can sail again and take whatever shape they want.
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"Then......altered states could be seen as positions on the ocean that we don't normally go to. These unusual areas may have intrinsic qualities that are good for some things but not for others. Ie I learn things a lot quicker better when my perception is in such and such an area. "
Beautifully said.
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"Seems to me though that there is a lot to be learned about intelligently navigating this one flexible conciousness."
Exactly, and the first step to that starts with the 3dmind. Why? Because when you are able to reach that learning state for instance without anything getting in the way, than you will be able to start practicing getting in and out of it easily. You will be able to sail to that island without any big waves turning the ship upside-down. Than you will explore the island and get more and more familiar with it.
Thanks for your comments. Take care
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Do the 2 phrases affect me differently?
Yes they do and the differences are fascinating.
The first phrase causes a large sudden sensation of numbness but does seem to engage awareness on the periphary of conciousness. This awareness feels inert, static, and blank waiting for further information yet indifferent to its arrival.
The second phrase invites an enhanced awareness to instantly arise. The sensation is extra alive, of magnified curiosity, vibrantly engaged. It is extra alert and eager to be interactive, wanting to co-create the descriptions and words that follow.
Both are routes to an altered state but I wonder if they actually lead to a different locale of altered state. Like I said in my first post about imagining conciousness having a position and positions having intrinsic qualities. Perhaps the second phrase leads to an altered state with qualities in the environment that are different. Maybe like hypnosis cubed.
If you think about it in terms of the hypnotist intending to move the flexible conciousness of the recipient then a hypnotist limited by the belief of concious and unconcious mind only knows of two with the belief
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Do the 2 phrases affect me differently?
Yes they do and the differences are fascinating.
The first phrase causes a large sudden sensation of numbness but does seem to engage awareness on the periphary of conciousness. This awareness feels inert, static, and blank waiting for further information yet indifferent to its arrival.
The second phrase invites an enhanced awareness to instantly arise. The sensation is extra alive, of magnified curiosity, vibrantly engaged. It is extra alert and eager to be interactive, wanting to co-create the descriptions and words that follow.
Both are routes to an altered state but I wonder if they actually lead to a different locale of altered state. Like I said in my first post about imagining conciousness having a position and positions having intrinsic qualities. Perhaps the second phrase leads to an altered state with qualities in the environment that are different. Maybe like hypnosis cubed.
If you think about it in terms of the hypnotist intending to move the flexible conciousness of the recipient then a hypnotist limited by the belief of concious and unconcious mind only knows of two with the belief
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belief of concious and unconcious mind only knows of two area to navigate the recipient between. A hypnotist with the belief of a flexible conciousness has a very different map of altered staes and could in theory navigate the recipient to new areas.
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THAT is the point! Instead of the either/or type of processes that we are stuck with now, we would have things that are not limited by that thinking.
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All good in theory. It would be great to hear some different examples wherein 'a process' so called limited by the c/u mind concept, generates a substantial other outcome by using another presupposition.
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Hey Bart,
Hope everything's been well...
I think one real life example of this concept is the 3dmind... Perhaps because we are so used to it we dont realize that the 3dmind is built on totally different pressups than other self help stuff. We take that for granted but the differences become apparent especially when we discuss this stuff with NLPers and hypnotherapists.
Harun
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I just watched the youtube clip "Explanation of Emotional Drivers".
--> http://youtube.com/watch?v=xWV_s8H_prY&
Is this clip from the 3D-Mind DVD?
If not, is it available on some other product?
There seems to be a few parallels between the idea of the Cons./Uncons. mind model and the creative-adaptive/reactive model.
Is there some problem with equating the Cons. mind with the creative/adaptive thinking response, and viewing the (so-called) "unconscious" as the habitual or "automatic" responses that come from the reactive part of the brain?
Cheers,
~John
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Hey Bart,
Hope everything's been well...
I think one real life example of this concept is the 3dmind... Perhaps because we are so used to it we dont realize that the 3dmind is built on totally different pressups than other self help stuff. We take that for granted but the differences become apparent especially when we discuss this stuff with NLPers and hypnotherapists.
Harun
I don't agree.
You can easily bring the u/c mind concept into the 3dMind process. ie: the 5 questions will bring up all the patterns stored deep in your unconscious mind to the conscious. .. and we'll integrate that back so it will give your unconscious mind the opportunity to generalize the change to different areas of your life ...bla bla bla
It doesn't make it true or false, but neither the pressup of the uc/c mind as the one of the flexible mind, does affect the process in anyway.
Now I'm still waiting for some examples where it's making a difference.
:-)
Have fun
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I don't agree.
You can easily bring the u/c mind concept into the 3dMind process. ie: the 5 questions will bring up all the patterns stored deep in your unconscious mind to the conscious. .. and we'll integrate that back so it will give your unconscious mind the opportunity to generalize the change to different areas of your life ...bla bla bla
It doesn't make it true or false, but neither the pressup of the uc/c mind as the one of the flexible mind, does affect the process in anyway.
Now I'm still waiting for some examples where it's making a difference.
:-)
Have fun
Bart
Dude is this really whats goin on? What you are talking about is how the NLP people rationalize the 3dmind into NLP. Would anyone of them be able to arrive at the 3dmind with their mindsets, thats the question to be asked.
I see my collegues from the NLP company almost daily, and we discuss this stuff. Everytime I talk about the feelings they say similar stuff. You are bringing it to your conscious. Well thats wrong, because its a process. Its not deep in somewhere. It is a response, a shift in perspective when you face certain stimuli. Then they start telling me, what does that feeling say? Ask it if what its doing is helping it? Whats its intention? All I know is I am sitting there trying to talk with a feeling as if its a person , which is such a weird moronic thing to do
I still think this is one of the most important examples of this mindset in action , but I agree it would be cool to learn new tricks to do with it
Take care
Harun
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I don't agree.
You can easily bring the u/c mind concept into the 3dMind process. ie: the 5 questions will bring up all the patterns stored deep in your unconscious mind to the conscious. .. and we'll integrate that back so it will give your unconscious mind the opportunity to generalize the change to different areas of your life ...bla bla bla
It doesn't make it true or false, but neither the pressup of the uc/c mind as the one of the flexible mind, does affect the process in anyway.
Now I'm still waiting for some examples where it's making a difference.
:-)
Have fun
Bart
Dude is this really whats goin on? What you are talking about is how the NLP people rationalize the 3dmind into NLP. Would anyone of them be able to arrive at the 3dmind with their mindsets, thats the question to be asked.
I see my collegues from the NLP company almost daily, and we discuss this stuff. Everytime I talk about the feelings they say similar stuff. You are bringing it to your conscious. Well thats wrong, because its a process. Its not deep in somewhere. It is a response, a shift in perspective when you face certain stimuli. Then they start telling me, what does that feeling say? Ask it if what its doing is helping it? Whats its intention? All I know is I am sitting there trying to talk with a feeling as if its a person , which is such a weird moronic thing to do
I still think this is one of the most important examples of this mindset in action , but I agree it would be cool to learn new tricks to do with it
Take care
Harun
Re: One Mind One Flexible Consciousness
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Then they start telling me, what does that feeling say? Ask it if what its doing is helping it? Whats its intention? All I know is I am sitting there trying to talk with a feeling as if its a person , which is such a weird moronic thing to do
Lol, that's looney How is that different that trying to project yourself onto an empty chair and talk to yourself? It's gestalt therapy all over again,the one thing Bandler made so much fun of I think that this whole "mystique" of the UC still stems from Freud's theories. Freud made the UC mind "sexy" by assigning it mysterious, deep, hidden secrets and desires. Somehow that stuck...
I still don't understand how the NLP "community" cannot understand that at the base of it all is state and visualization to manipulate the state.
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It has been "scientifically" proven that many brain processes like memory, or certain behaviors are state dependent. It's too sad that science has to use extremely altered states such as being drunk, asleep or being under the influence of a drug. They could very easily generalize that theory to have more nuances.
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How is that different that trying to project yourself onto an empty chair and talk to yourself? It's gestalt therapy all over again,the one thing Bandler made so much fun of 
I think that this whole "mystique" of the UC still stems from Freud's theories. Freud made the UC mind "sexy" by assigning it mysterious, deep, hidden secrets and desires. Somehow that stuck...
